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		<title>Comment on HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED:  THE TRUTH! by ksm1672</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for sharing your helpful knowledge.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED:  THE TRUTH! by Bhaskar Thumma</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[good post.  It is very informative and useful to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post.  It is very informative and useful to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Were There Important Whistleblowers INSIDE Religion? by beyondallreligion</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted:
&quot;How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors.&quot;

The pope&#039;s pronouncement is recorded in the diaries and records of both Pietro Cardinal Bembo (Letters and Comments on Pope Leo X, 1842 reprint) and Paolo Cardinal Giovio (De Vita Leonis Decimi..., op. cit.), two associates who were witnesses to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted:<br />
&#8220;How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors.&#8221;</p>
<p>The pope&#8217;s pronouncement is recorded in the diaries and records of both Pietro Cardinal Bembo (Letters and Comments on Pope Leo X, 1842 reprint) and Paolo Cardinal Giovio (De Vita Leonis Decimi&#8230;, op. cit.), two associates who were witnesses to it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Were There Important Whistleblowers INSIDE Religion? by Gael Murphy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In trying to find other sources for the quote assigned to Pope Pius X, I came across the following.  Though I don&#039;t know which is a statement of fact, the &quot;satirical&quot; explanation sounds more plausible to me.  Our skepticism must extend to ourselves.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2383608/posts 

29 posted on 11/12/2009 7:34:27 AM by vladimir998 (Some public school grads actually believe BIGETOUS is a word)
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To: donmeaker
Phony stories about Leo X have been circulated for centuries. Here’s one:
“It was Pope Leo X who made the most infamous and damaging statement about Christianity in the history of the Church. His declaration revealed to the world papal knowledge of the Vatican’s false presentation of Jesus Christ and unashamedly exposed the puerile nature of the Christian religion. At a lavish Good Friday banquet in the Vatican in 1514, and in the company of “seven intimates” (Annales Ecclesiastici, Caesar Baronius, Folio Antwerp, 1597, tome 14), Leo made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate. Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: “How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors.””
Here’s the truth:
“So where did this quote originate? Skeptics claim Leo said this to a member of his entourage who later attributed
the quote to him. However, the quote has now been attributed to the 16th century satirist and playwright, John
Bale. John Bale joined the Protestant movement after becoming disenchanted with the corruption of the Catholic
church. He wrote many parodies in which he openly expressed his disdain of papal abuse. One of his satirical
works known as The Pageant of the Popes is the actual source of the quote in question (paraphrased in modern
English for the reader’s convenience):
“For on a time when a cardinal Bembus did move a question out of the Gospel, the Pope gave him a very
contemptuous answer saying: All ages can testify enough how profitable that fable of Christ hath been
to us and our company.” (Pageant of the Popes Page 179)
CONCLUSION: This quote is from a fictional 16th century work written as a parody. Presenting this as a
legitimate quote would be as absurd as attributing a line from a Shakespearian play to the real life character
whom an actor depicted.”
See this for a reply to the above:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican30c.htm
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In trying to find other sources for the quote assigned to Pope Pius X, I came across the following.  Though I don&#8217;t know which is a statement of fact, the &#8220;satirical&#8221; explanation sounds more plausible to me.  Our skepticism must extend to ourselves.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2383608/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2383608/posts</a> </p>
<p>29 posted on 11/12/2009 7:34:27 AM by vladimir998 (Some public school grads actually believe BIGETOUS is a word)<br />
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<p>To: donmeaker<br />
Phony stories about Leo X have been circulated for centuries. Here’s one:<br />
“It was Pope Leo X who made the most infamous and damaging statement about Christianity in the history of the Church. His declaration revealed to the world papal knowledge of the Vatican’s false presentation of Jesus Christ and unashamedly exposed the puerile nature of the Christian religion. At a lavish Good Friday banquet in the Vatican in 1514, and in the company of “seven intimates” (Annales Ecclesiastici, Caesar Baronius, Folio Antwerp, 1597, tome 14), Leo made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate. Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: “How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors.””<br />
Here’s the truth:<br />
“So where did this quote originate? Skeptics claim Leo said this to a member of his entourage who later attributed<br />
the quote to him. However, the quote has now been attributed to the 16th century satirist and playwright, John<br />
Bale. John Bale joined the Protestant movement after becoming disenchanted with the corruption of the Catholic<br />
church. He wrote many parodies in which he openly expressed his disdain of papal abuse. One of his satirical<br />
works known as The Pageant of the Popes is the actual source of the quote in question (paraphrased in modern<br />
English for the reader’s convenience):<br />
“For on a time when a cardinal Bembus did move a question out of the Gospel, the Pope gave him a very<br />
contemptuous answer saying: All ages can testify enough how profitable that fable of Christ hath been<br />
to us and our company.” (Pageant of the Popes Page 179)<br />
CONCLUSION: This quote is from a fictional 16th century work written as a parody. Presenting this as a<br />
legitimate quote would be as absurd as attributing a line from a Shakespearian play to the real life character<br />
whom an actor depicted.”<br />
See this for a reply to the above:<br />
<a href="http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican30c.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican30c.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED:  THE TRUTH! by joolzey</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 07:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting. However, in &#039;Caesar&#039;s Messiah&#039;, Joseph Atwill suggests an earlier date for the New Testament forgeries. He describes the political climate in which the &#039;fable&#039; of a Jewish prophet of peace was created to pacify the turbulent and militant Jewish communities. He also identifies the similarities between the narrative of Jesus&#039;s life and the life of Titus Flavius, 1st century emperor. Where does scholarship stand on the date of authorship of the gospels? Are there good cases both for a late 4th century and 1st century authorship?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. However, in &#8216;Caesar&#8217;s Messiah&#8217;, Joseph Atwill suggests an earlier date for the New Testament forgeries. He describes the political climate in which the &#8216;fable&#8217; of a Jewish prophet of peace was created to pacify the turbulent and militant Jewish communities. He also identifies the similarities between the narrative of Jesus&#8217;s life and the life of Titus Flavius, 1st century emperor. Where does scholarship stand on the date of authorship of the gospels? Are there good cases both for a late 4th century and 1st century authorship?</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED:  THE TRUTH! by don dali</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it is child abuse by brainwashed parents to force their kids to a church since they are toddlers, where they are brainwashed at many levels: gold and candles for their eyes, bells and chanting for their ears, incense for their nose, and the most horrible primitive abuse: circumsison ... let your kids become 18, and let them choose their own religion ... if they ever buy into one !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is child abuse by brainwashed parents to force their kids to a church since they are toddlers, where they are brainwashed at many levels: gold and candles for their eyes, bells and chanting for their ears, incense for their nose, and the most horrible primitive abuse: circumsison &#8230; let your kids become 18, and let them choose their own religion &#8230; if they ever buy into one !</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED:  THE TRUTH! by whuff</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you wish to follow up research about the religions contemporary with the original Christianity, then the book I mentioned in a previous post will be useful: Freke &amp; Gandy&#039;s The Jesus Mysteries.

My own book is fully referenced too, but covers more content: from the origins of Judasim and the religion of Akhenaten, through the battles of the Celtic Christian Church against the Roman one, to the post–Enlightenment attempts to restore the original Christian values that were lost by the crude religion that we know today. The Greatest Lie Ever Told, WH Uffington.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you wish to follow up research about the religions contemporary with the original Christianity, then the book I mentioned in a previous post will be useful: Freke &amp; Gandy&#8217;s The Jesus Mysteries.</p>
<p>My own book is fully referenced too, but covers more content: from the origins of Judasim and the religion of Akhenaten, through the battles of the Celtic Christian Church against the Roman one, to the post–Enlightenment attempts to restore the original Christian values that were lost by the crude religion that we know today. The Greatest Lie Ever Told, WH Uffington.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED:  THE TRUTH! by rabbnoir</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re your original blog, yeah right! Doesn&#039;t show much real scholarship, more popularist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re your original blog, yeah right! Doesn&#8217;t show much real scholarship, more popularist.</p>
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