HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED: THE TRUTH!

Emperor Constantine

Christianity is a copycat religion created by Emperor Constantine (for political purposes) based upon a myth (The Persian savior god Mithra, crucified 600 B.C. ?  400 B.C.?), which was based on other similar myths, all the way back to Chrishna of India (a mythical god that some claim was “crucified” around 1200 B.C.). There were 16 mythical crucifixions before Christ. The belief in the crucifixion of Gods was prevalent in various oriental or heathen countries long prior to the reported crucifixion
of Christ.  Of the 16 crucifixions, most were born of a virgin and about half of them on December 25th.

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There were too many religions in Rome in 325 A.D.  A Council was called in an endeavor to amalgamate the many religions of the Roman Empire into one.  Christianity plagiarized older myths and legends historicized to suit the Roman Catholic Church while combining the numerous religions existing at the time (Krishna, Horus, Mithraism, Osirian, Isis, and many other mystery religions).  For unity and to stop all the conflicts between the numerous religions…

Christianity was INVENTED.

Eusebius (Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine  “Father of Church History“) attended the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. and was a friend of Emperor Constantine, who also attended and made the keynote speech. Constantine  instructed Eusebius to organize the compilation of a uniform collection of new writings developed from primary aspects of the religious texts submitted at the council.  Eusebius has been described as  follows:  Jacob Burckhardt (19th century cultural historian) dismissed Eusebius as “the first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity”. He has been also described as “a political theologian”. He favored doctoring his history in his own words to “be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity”. Edward Gibbon (18th century historian –“The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”) dismissed his testimony on the number of martyrs and impugned his honesty

At first, there was controversy about the new religion at the Council of Nicaea.  Some claimed it was a fiction and Christ was a fiction, but they did not prevail.

http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/Council%20of%20Nicaea.htm
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(To be clear on this matter, I say don’t trust Eusebius’s  reports of the Apostles or how the Apostles died, and be suspicious of all of his writings.)  - Author Samuel Butler

Eusebius then arranged for scribes to produce fifty sumptuous copies to be written on parchment in a legible manner, and in a convenient portable form, by professional scribes thoroughly accomplished in their art (ibid.).

Bishop Eusebius

These orders, said Eusebius, were followed by the immediate execution of the work itself we sent him [Constantine] magnificently and elaborately bound volumes of three-fold and four-fold forms (Life of Constantine, vol. iv, p.36).  They were  the New Testimonies, and this is the first mention (c. 331) of the New Testament in the historical record. With his instructions fulfilled,  Constantine then decreed that the New Testimonies would thereafter be called the word of the Roman Saviour God (Life of Constantine, vol. iii, p. 29) and official to all presbyters sermonising in the Roman Empire.

He then ordered earlier presbyterial manuscripts and the records of the council burnt and declared that any man found concealing writings should be stricken off from his shoulders (beheaded).

NONE OF THESE 50 NEW TESTAMENTS EXIST TODAY OR ARE ADMITTED TO EXISTING!

THIS NEW TESTAMENT WAS THE OFFICIAL BOOK OF THE NEW UNIFIED RELIGION OF CONSTANTINE NOT THE BIBLE!

ALL OTHER BOOKS TO BE BURNED ,THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE TORAH/OLD TESTAMENT

IT INCLUDED BURNING THE GREAT LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA IN EGYPT 391 A.D.

In 391 A.D., Christian Emperor Theodosius I ordered the destruction of all pagan (“heathen” they were also called) temples. The Christian Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria (Egypt) complied with this request. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt, the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, (and) the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples (and) then he destroyed the Serapeum. -Historia Ecclesiastica

The Serapeum housed the Great Library of Alexandria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_alexandria

Why there are no records of Jesus Christ?

Federic William Farrar

It is not possible to find in any legitimate religious or historical writings compiled between the beginning of the first century and well into the fourth century any reference to Jesus Christ and the spectacular events that the Church says accompanied his life. This confirmation comes from Frederic Farrar (1831-1903) of Trinity College, Cambridge:

“It is amazing that history has not embalmed for us even one certain or definite saying or circumstance in the life of the Saviour of mankind … there is no statement in all history that says anyone saw Jesus or talked with him. Nothing in history is more astonishing than the silence of contemporary writers about events relayed in the four Gospels.”  (The Life of Christ, Frederic W. Farrar, Cassell, London, 1874)

This situation arises from a conflict between history and New Testament narratives.  Dr Tischendorf made this comment:

“We must frankly admit that we have no source of information with respect to the life of Jesus Christ other than ecclesiastic writings assembled during the fourth century.” (Codex Sinaiticus, Dr Constantin von Tischendorf, British Library, London)

There is an explanation for those hundreds of years of silence: the construct of Christianity did not begin until after the first quarter of the fourth century, and that is why Pope Leo X (d. 1521) called Christ a “fable” (Cardinal Bembo:  His Letters…, op. cit.), and later Pope Paul III expressed similar sentiments, saying that there was no valid document to demonstrate the existence of Christ.  He confessed that Jesus never existed, adding that he was no other than the sun, adored in its Mithraic sect…”

BUT WAIT, WHAT DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAY ABOUT THIS?

You will be surprised:  

From: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_40.htm :

What (your local) Church doesn’t know and/or wouldn’t want you to know,  if they knew.

It has often been emphasized that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities.

The Church agrees, saying:

“Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted.” (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712)

The Church makes extraordinary admissions about its New Testament. For example, when discussing the origin of those writings, “the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled” (Catholic Encyclopedias, Preface) admits that the Gospels “do not go back to the first century of the Christian era” (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6).

This statement conflicts with priesthood assertions that the earliest Gospels were progressively written during the decades following the death of the Gospel (sic) Jesus Christ. In a remarkable aside, the Church further admits that, “the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD”– (Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).

That is some 350 years after the time the Church claims that a Jesus Christ walked the sands of Palestine, and here the true story of Christian origins slips into one of the biggest black holes in history. There is, however, a reason why there were no New Testaments until the fourth century: they were not written until then, and here we find evidence of the greatest misrepresentation of all time.  It was British-born Flavius Constantinus (Constantine, originally Custennyn or Custennin) (272-337) who authorized the compilation of the writings now called the New Testament.

Yes, but what about references to the four Gospels supposedly before the 3rd Century A.D.?

For example: What about Tacitus, Roman Historian, who wrote about the persecutions of the early “Christians”?

Regarding Tacitus, (Senator and Historian of the Roman Empire) these writings supporting the persecution were mysteriously found in the 15th century in the forests of Germany, following a reward offered by Leo X for old writings, and following a history of forgeries in Catholicism:  In any case, there has been serious questions about the integrity of the famous passage about Christians.

From: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/tacitus.html

Gordon Stein denied the authenticity of this passage, arguing:

(1) no corroborating evidence that Nero persecuted the Christians
(2) there was not a multitude of Christians in Rome at that date
(3) Christian was not a common term in the first century
(4) Nero was indifferent to various religions in his city
(5) Nero did not start the fire in Rome
(6) Tacitus does not use the name Jesus
(7) Tacitus assumes his readers know Pontius Pilate

Yes, but what about Josephus?

His reference to Jesus in Testimonium Flavianum has been claimed as a later addition, (Forgery-Author) not questioning the authenticity of the main work.

See: http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

Yes, but what about Pliny the Younger’s letter to Emperor Trajan 112 A.D. (Pliny was not a contemporary of Jesus, and he never mentions “Jesus”?) Pliny the Younger (c. 61 – c. 112), the provincial governor of Pontus and Bithynia, wrote to Emperor Trajan c. 112 concerning how to deal with Christians, who refused to worship the emperor, and instead worshiped “Christus”.

What about that?

Charles Guignebert

Charles Guignebert, who does not doubt that Jesus of the Gospels lived in Gallilee in the 1st century, nevertheless dismisses this letter as acceptable historical evidence:

“Only the most robust credulity could  reckon this assertion as admissible evidence for the historicity of Jesus” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

Nevertheless, I was concerned about the possibility of far older Gospels when I was stating that Christianity was invented around 325 A.D., but the research thread leads back to Eusebius, the FORGER, (“Papias, quoted by Eusebius…”).

Eusebius was the dishonest Church Father historian of antiquity who made up a lot of Church history. we shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity”. The research thread (about older Gospels) also leads to the “spurious” writings of Irenaeus: http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/gospels-late-forgeries/blog-249881/ .

THE RELIGIOUS QUICKSAND OF EARLY CHRISTIAN WRITINGS.

A  SCHOLAR AND YOU WILL BE QUICKLY SWALLOWED UP IN QUICKSAND RESEARCHING SO-CALLED “PRE-NICENE” WRITINGS.

What about  pre-nicene so-called “Early Christian” (Gnostic?) writings? They disagreed with each other, were riddled with conflict and forgeries, of questionable and confusing timing and origin , had conflicting opinions about supposed truths,  and were not coherent enough for an organized religion. So the myth of Mithra, the Persian Savior God, was chosen by Emperor Constantine and Bishop Eusebius as the model to create the new religion , Christianity.  What if there are references to Christ and/or Jesus in pre-nicene writings? That doesn’t mean Jesus or Christ existed.  What if there are references to “fairies” in pre-nicene literature?  That wouldn’t mean fairies existed,  prior to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD or later, even if the Council claimed the existence of fairies and made it doctrine, with severe penalties for those who denied their existence.

Yes, but what about Church father Justin Martyr’s purported use of the New Testament gospels?

From Acharya S., Biblical scholar: (http://www.freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/679-does-justin-martyr-quote-the-gospels.html)

“No verbatim quotes or unambiguous citations from the canonical gospels as we have them appear anywhere in Justin’s extant works.”

Matthew, Mark and Luke are never named by Justin; nor is John.

Nor does Justin Martyr name any of the evangelists in any known text

In any case, the Catholic Encyclopedia itself supports the thesis that the Gospels of Christianity were written no earlier than the 4th Century:  “the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD”– (Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).

Retired Episcopal Bishop says Hell is an invention of the church to control people with fear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=5BkP9-HG8-I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shelby_Spong

Information about Eusebius, Constantine, and Paul.

FATHER EUSEBIUS, FORGER:http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/fathereusebiustheforger.html (One view, for what it’s worth-a bit harsh)

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Samuel Butler, Author: BEYOND ALL RELIGION Most all religions are based upon a bedrock of lies. Christianity was invented by Emperor Constantine , for political purposes, based upon the myth of Mithra, a Persian savior god born on December 25 , son of a virgin. Mithra performed miracles and was later crucified. Pope Leo X (died 1521) called Christ a “Fable”. Later Pope Paul III expressed similar sentiments. Moses is based on the Sumerian life and legends of Sargon I, King of Akkad, “set in a basket of rushes and “cast into the river”. Egyptians kept exhausting hieroglyphic records. There is a complete absence of any record of Moses leading over 600,000 men, women and children away from Pharaoh’s army. Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, was convicted in a court of Law of being an “impostor”, today a fraud, con man, in 1826. He wrote the Book of Mormon soon after. Question: You decide: Does the text of the verses of the Qur’an correspond exactly to those revealed to Muhammad directly as the words of God, delivered to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel, as claimed? Sample or Buy New Book “Beyond All Religion”, 152 pgs, $9.95 at www.amazon.com (Kindle edition $3.49) or send mailing address and $9.95 to Sam Butler, SB 197, POB 25292, Miami, FL 33102."
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91 Responses to HOW CHRISTIANITY WAS INVENTED: THE TRUTH!

  1. All bishops can go flog themselves along with so-called gods,why I aughta’!!!

  2. shavonne7100 says:

    Good post, very informative. I think I’ll show this to all the people who insist their religion is completely original.

  3. Donnie says:

    Very interesting and informative, I’m surprised no one has made a documentary about this…or have they? Anyway, I would suggest including citations to keep it from sounding propaganda-y. If someone can refer to the unbiased texts from where this information came from, I think it would bolster the credibility immensely.

  4. Yes, I have added citations.
    Thanks,
    Samuel

  5. “the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled” (Catholic Encyclopedias, Preface) admits that the Gospels “do not go back to the first century of the Christian era”
    (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6).
    In a remarkable aside, the Church further admits that,
    “the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD”
    (Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).

    Yes, but what about Tacitus, Roman Historian,
    who wrote about the persecutions of the early “Christians”?
    Regarding Tacitus, (Senator and Historian of the Roman Empire) these writings supporting the persecution were mysteriously found in the 15th century in the forests of Germany, following a reward offered by Leo X for old writings, and following a history of forgeries in Catholicism:
    In any case, there has been serious questions about the integrity of the famous passage about Christians.
    From: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/tacitus.html
    Gordon Stein denied the authenticity of this passage, arguing: (1) there is no corroborating evidence that Nero persecuted the Christians; (2) there was not a
    multitude of Christians in Rome at that date; (3) ‘Christian’ was not a common term in the first century; (4) Nero was indifferent to various religions in his city; (5) Nero did not start the fire in Rome; (6) Tacitus does not use the name Jesus; (7)
    Tacitus assumes his readers know Pontius Pilate;
    Yes, but what about Josephus?
    His reference to Jesus in Testimonium Flavianum has been claimed as a later addition, not questioning the authenticity of the main work.
    See: http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm
    Yes, but what about Pliny the Younger’s letter to Emperor Trajan 112 AD (Pliny was not a contemporary of Jesus, and he never mentions
    “Jesus”)? Pliny the Younger (c. 61 – c. 112), the provincial governor of Pontus and Bithynia, wrote to Emperor Trajan c. 112 concerning how to deal with Christians, who refused to worship the emperor, and instead worshiped “Christus”.
    What about that?
    Charles Guignebert, who does not doubt that Jesus of the Gospels lived in Gallilee in the 1st century, nevertheless dismisses this letter as acceptable historical evidence: “Only the most robust credulity could reckon this assertion as admissible evidence for the historicity of Jesus” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
    You mention Princeton. from my book:
    SHORT REVIEW OF “JESUS, INTERRUPTED”, by
    Samuel Butler 7/10/2010
    Bart D. Ehrman, the author of “Jesus Interrupted,
    Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and
    Why We Don’t Know About Them”) (HarperCollins, 2009)
    was a fundamentalist evangelical Christian, who was
    certain that every word in the Bible had been inspired by
    God when he entered Princeton Theological Seminary,
    intending to become a Professor of the Bible.
    49
    As a seeker of truth, things did not turn out as he planned.
    He found in historical-critical bible study classes things
    that biblical scholars have unearthed in the last two
    hundred years that graduates that even go on to become
    pastors don’t and won’t mention in their sermons:
    That the authors of the New Testament have diverging
    views about who Jesus was and how salvation works.
    That it contains books that were forged in the name of the
    apostles by Christian writers who lived decades later.
    Established Christian doctrines-such as the suffering
    messiah, the divinity of Jesus, and the trinity were
    inventions of still later theologians.
    The idea that Jesus was divine was a later Christian
    invention found only in John, the last gospel, written some
    60 years after the events described, and written by an
    unknown author. The raising of Lazurus from the dead,
    and the divinity of Jesus are not found in any of the other
    3 gospels.
    The belief that Jesus was God or divine was not the belief
    of Jesus’s earliest followers, nor of Jesus himself.
    Bart D. Ehrman now describes himself as “an agnostic
    scholar of the New Testament.”
    You want details of the Crucifixions before Christ. Here are details of 16. Six would suffice to make the point that it was common for a “GOD” to be crucified : http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/chap16.html

  6. The Church makes extraordinary admissions about its New Testament. For example, when discussing the origin of those writings,
    “the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled” (Catholic Encyclopedias, Preface) admits that the Gospels “do not go back to the first century of the Christian era”
    (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6).
    This statement conflicts with priesthood assertions that the earliest Gospels were progressively written during the decades following the death of the Gospel (sic) Jesus Christ.
    In a remarkable aside, the Church further admits that,
    “the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD”
    (Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).
    Yes, but what about Tacitus, Roman Historian,
    who wrote about the persecutions of the early “Christians”?
    Regarding Tacitus, (Senator and Historian of the Roman Empire) these writings supporting the persecution were mysteriously found in the 15th century in the forests of Germany, following a reward offered by Leo X for old writings, and following a history of forgeries in Catholicism:
    In any case, there has been serious questions about the integrity of the famous passage about Christians.
    From: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/tacitus.html
    Gordon Stein denied the authenticity of this passage, arguing: (1) there is no corroborating evidence that Nero persecuted the Christians; (2) there was not a
    multitude of Christians in Rome at that date; (3) ‘Christian’ was not a common term in the first century; (4) Nero was indifferent to various religions in his city; (5) Nero did not start the fire in Rome; (6) Tacitus does not use the name Jesus; (7)
    Tacitus assumes his readers know Pontius Pilate;
    Yes, but what about Josephus?
    His reference to Jesus in Testimonium Flavianum has been claimed as a later addition, not questioning the authenticity of the main work.
    See: http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm
    Yes, but what about Pliny the Younger’s letter to Emperor Trajan 112 AD (Pliny was not a contemporary of Jesus, and he never mentions
    “Jesus”)? Pliny the Younger (c. 61 – c. 112), the provincial governor of Pontus and Bithynia, wrote to Emperor Trajan c. 112 concerning how to deal with Christians, who refused to worship the emperor, and instead worshiped “Christus”.
    What about that?
    Charles Guignebert, who does not doubt that Jesus of the Gospels lived in Gallilee in the 1st century, nevertheless dismisses this letter as acceptable historical evidence: “Only the most robust credulity could reckon this assertion as admissible evidence for the historicity of Jesus” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
    I was concerned about the possibility of far older Gospels when I was stating that Christianity was invented around 325A.D., but the research thread leads back to Eusebius, the FORGER, (“Papias, quoted by Eusebius”).

    Eusebius was the dishonest Church Father historian of antiquity who made up a lot of Church history. “we shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity”. The research thread (about older Gospels) also leads to the “spurious” writings of Irenaeus: http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/gospels-late-forgeries/blog-249881/ .

    In any case, the Catholic Encyclopedia itself supports the thesis that the Gospels of Christianity were written no earlier than the 4th Century.
    You want details of Crucifixions before Christ. Here are details of 16. Six would suffice to make the point that it was common for “Gods” to be crucified. http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/chap16.html

  7. quedula says:

    A brilliant, fascinating post. I had already picked up bits of this history but have never seen it all collated into a concise readable whole. Well done.

  8. Jon M. Wilson says:

    Your conclusions are startling, but I’m not sure all of your facts are accurate.

    The oldest fragments of NT writings date back farther than the Nicene Council, but that determination is made by subjective analysis, of aspects like writing styles, rather than by any concrete method like carbon dating (which I don’t think would work for papyrus anyway, but I don’t know).
    There are many volumes of Christian writings, with thousands of pages and hundreds of thousands of words, that predate the council. I know because I own a copy of the collection, and i have a hard time thinking that these are all the work of one crafty historian. Perhaps I misconstrued your meaning there, though.

    Granted, I definitely agree that Christianity is entirely a fabrication. I just think it was an earlier one, with roots in the conflicting sects of Judaism, including Messianic Judaism, that date back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries BCE.

  9. Laura says:

    Very nice post. If only those who are blinded by their faith would get as educated about it. :)

  10. WHAT DOES THE CHURCH ITSELF SAY ABOUT THIS?
    The Church makes extraordinary admissions about its New Testament. For example, when discussing the origin of those writings,
    “the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled” (Catholic Encyclopedias, Preface) admits that the Gospels “do not go back to the first century of the Christian era”
    (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6).
    This statement conflicts with priesthood assertions that the earliest Gospels were progressively written during the decades following the death of the Gospel (sic) Jesus Christ.
    In a remarkable aside, the Church further admits that,
    “the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD”
    (Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).

  11. whuff says:

    Pretty good summary, but one thing that is missing about Nero is that he couldn’t possibly have persecuted Christians. There were no Christians in Rome until after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Uffington, WH. The Greatest Lie Ever Told.

  12. katharine says:

    So, I guess the Mormons aren’t any crazier than any other group of faith based believers.

  13. kayjulia says:

    Very good post. I like all references that the Roman Church admits to fabrication. However as we know most “believers” will not believe this as their whole ego is based on a lie and if this lie is found out then what do they have? They reject reason and science so what is there ? Just their fables, superstitions, customs and in some cases costumes. Mankind has a long way to go to be considered rational and intelligent.

  14. Great post, though I find it hysterical that you use the Christianized BC and AD! Most non-religious people use BCE and CE. Funny how those little things seep in even if we don’t believe in them. Thanks, culture.

  15. Excellent article! Yes, when there is absolutely no written mention whatsoever, in all the world’s secular and religious writings, of an alleged historical figure, for three centuries after the person’s supposed lifetime, the reason isn’t hard to divine: that person never existed. I’m sort of surprised that so few people realize that all the various “Bible” versions are fiction anthologies, and most of the persons, places, and events mentioned therein are fictional, with any similarity to actual persons, places, and events being purely coincidental. When people spew Bible quotes and expect others to accept them as truth, I just roll my eyes, because it’s rather like watching someone quote from a Harry Potter book, mistakenly believing it’s a history book and Harry Potter really exists. And sadly, when you try to enlighten such folks, it usually fails. “Harry Potter is *real*, I say!! *Real*!!! He *exists*!!!!” Sigh. On the one hand, I feel sorry for such folks; but on the other hand, I must admit to a sneaking urge to lay a 2×4 along side their head with some impetus.

  16. Ninoslav Milinkovic says:

    How we got 4 gospels today when at the start of Nicaean Council bishops brought over 50 of gospels, some clearly contradicting each another. Father Eusebius, this evil genius of forgery and untruth, in one of his acts whose long reaching consequences we all suffer today, declared : ‘let all gospels stay overnight on the table and let our God himself decide which are true one’. Bingo, in the morning there were only 4 left on the table. They only forgot to tell us who kept the key through the night. !
    Mme Blavatsky…in ISIS UNVEILED & SECRET DOCTRINE

  17. Jorge says:

    Of course this is way too logical, so why would people ever “believe” it?

  18. jawbreaker says:

    Sorry about the spelling in the last post. But I am not sorry for not following a human – if he even lived- who said I must hate my loved ones to follow him. To where? Nowhere is where.

  19. jawbreaker says:

    Excellent material . However, most christians and muslims don’t know the truth and furthermore, are afraid of the truth…they believe they have some strange comfort zone sitting in massive temples and churches. Sure nuff, they were born that way, given baptism and 1st communion and all the other fortifying jesus & god materials that are unsubstantiated. Yet, they will not stray from the ‘Word.’

    Politicians have to be religious or pretend to be to have the masses that are god/jesus indoctrinated in order to get elected. Religions make most of their income tax free otherwise they would have to ante up a few billion every year to help the world economy.

    Religions give people that are subjects, the right to torture, massacre, wage war, and commit horrific atrocities on their fellow humans. I am confounded in how any person of logic can actually subscribe to and submit themselves to praying to a god or man that represents infanticide, genocide, femicide, torture, slavery and a raging inferno of hell.

    Nonetheless, things aren’t going to change. It is as if a major disease agent has been turned loose on humankind and humankind said, “Please take me, take me forever, I am yours, heart and soul, I am yours.”Any educational and fact-finding research key to reducing religious zealots in mass is unfortunately, a pipe dream. Yes indeed, pretentious religion feeds at the mouth of birth and fantasizes about the brightness in the valley of death. After all, mess with religion and your death may be imminent. They are a scary lot.

  20. InfidelAtheist says:

    Amethyst. I am a committed atheist for the last 51 years (ie since age of 11yrs). I always use BC and AD…..it is a generational thing……. I still think in feet and inches too…..so what.

  21. the tooth fairy says:

    Rational arguments don’t usually work on religious people. Otherwise there would be no religious people.

  22. mohammed abubakar sadiq says:

    pls just read this and understand ur religiou

  23. Linda says:

    All religions fake,but I know that I’m a Hebrew Israelite chosen by bloodline & that is all(:

  24. Allison Timipere says:

    Does it mean that Christianity is the result of Emperor Constantine’s singular effort? I find this contrary to previous knowledge.

  25. No, it was a team effort of Constantine and Bishop Eusebius, the most “thoroughly dishonest historian” of antiquity. They mainly accepted the myths of Mithra, and substituted Jesus doing the same things that were ascribed to Mithra, the Persian Savior God.

  26. whuff says:

    Christianity as we know it, was the mistake of Jewish slaves exported to Rome after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Hence my saying that Nero couldn’t have persecuted them in my post above. Freke and Gandy explain the mistake in The Jesus Mysteries. The mistaken ideas about Christianity were then corrupted further, at a later stage by Bishop Eusebius, who wanted to enhance his political status by filtering what went into the New Testament. The vast range of earlier writings that were available made no sense to the new Literalist Christians, who had no understanding of the true teaching and therefore thought the writings were ‘eye witness’ accounts of real events.

    The plot thickened and deepened as lies will inevitably ensure. Constantine had recognised Christianity as a religion, though himself remained a pagan. In 380 CE Theodosius declared the Christian Church to be the only religion that was recognised throughout the eastern and western empire. The powerful political organisation that was the Roman Emperor’s official church maintained its control through violence and oppression until recent times. Some branches of it still attempt to do so.

    Eusebius’ actions are inexcusable. He was educated at the academy founded by Origen in
    Caesaria, then made bishop of that city. Eusebius was a follower of the heretical Arian doctrine and as its delegate, attended the Council of Nicæa in 325 CE to argue its cause. Though the argument was lost and its leader, Arius banished, the heretic Eusebius somehow emerged as the Emperor Constantine’s biographer. Clearly to have accomplished such a feat, Eusebius owned a silvery tongue and obsequious nature. Ditching his former beliefs, he transformed himself into the Church of Rome’s historian and head propagandist. Needless to say, we must consider the work of such an unprincipled man, at best seriously unreliable and at worst, shameful invention.

    Such are the attributes of one of the earliest Catholic saints. What does it say for the rest of their lies which they have yet to admit?

  27. Zekarias_ says:

    Thanks :) like I’ve said before… Christian was invented for political intention , i already known about it since i was 12.

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  29. Douglas Harder says:

    It would be quite odd if numerous cultures before the Romans actually crucified their gods because it was the Romans who came up with that form of execution. Has anyone figured out yet that there is a significant difference between a resurrection and a crucifixion?

  30. The Romans did not invent crucifixion. Crucifixion is an ancient method of deliberately painful execution in which the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross and left to hang until dead.
    Crucifixion was in use at a comparatively high rate among the Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD

  31. Douglas Harder says:

    Can you please name these gods that were crucified?

  32. IT’S IN THE BOOK:

    From: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/chap16.html

    The belief in the crucifixion of Gods was prevalent in various oriental or heathen countries long prior to the reported crucifixion of Christ.
    Here are 16:

    I. — CRUCIFIXION OF CHRISHNA OF INDIA, 1200 B.C

    Crucifixion ?: Some say he was hung upside down from a tree. Other sources say he died from an arrow shot into his foot. Does it matter? They are different versions of a myth, anyway.
    II. — CRUCIFIXION OF THE HINDOO SAKIA, 600 B.C.
    III. — THAMMUZ OF SYRIA CRUCIFIED, 1160 B.C.
    IV. — CRUCIFIXION OF WITTOBA OF THE TELINGONESIC, 552 B.C.
    V. — IAO OF NEPAUL CRUCIFIED, 622 B.C.
    VI. — HESUS OF THE CELTIC DRUIDS CRUCIFIED, 834 B.C.
    VII. — QUEXALCOTE OF MEXICO CRUCIFIED, 587 B.C.
    VIII. — QUIRINUS OF ROME CRUCIFIED, 506 B.C.
    IX. — (AESCHYLUS) PROMETHEUS CRUCIFIED, 547 B.C.
    X. — CRUCIFIXION OF THULIS OF EGYPT, 1700 B.C.
    XI. — CRUCIFIXION OF INDRA OF TIBET, 725 B.C.
    XII. — ALCESTOS OF EURIPIDES CRUCIFIED, 600 B.C.
    XIII. — ATYS OF PHRYGIA CRUCIFIED, 1170 B.C.
    XIV. — CRITE OF CHALDEA CRUCIFIED, 1200 B.C.
    XV. — BALI OF ORISSA CRUCIFIED, 725 B.C.
    XVI. — MITHRA OF PERSIA CRUCIFIED, 600 B.C.

    Statement at the end of the above stated web site.
    “NOTE. — The author desires it to be understood with respect to the cases of crucifixion here briefly narrated, that they are not vouched for as actual occurrences, of which there is much ground to doubt. It has neither been his aim or desire to prove them to be real historical events, nor to establish any certain number of cases. Indeed, he deems it unimportant to know, if it could be determined, whether they are fact or fiction, or whether one God was crucified, or many. The moral lesson designed to be taught by this chapter is, simply, that the belief in the crucifixion of Gods was prevalent in various oriental or heathen countries long prior to the reported crucifixion of Christ. If this point is established — which he feels certain no reader will dispute then he is not concerned to know whether he has made out sixteen cases of crucifixion or not. Six will prove it as well as sixteen. “

  33. zeldaxlink says:

    I’ve known that Christianity was invented (and that God or Jesus isn’t real) when I was about 8. I was sick of people telling me things that I didn’t understand, so I just rage quit. I’m 14 now, and I still firmly believe that God isn’t real, and that all the people who believe he is, are brainwashed by parents who believe in the old ways.

  34. zebdi says:

    I believe there’s a documentary about this called “Selling God”

  35. Right on. Most get their religion from their parents.

  36. maxfincher says:

    Fascinating and very informative. I have always wanted to know how pre-Christian religion suddenly disappeared. The history of invented narrative and forgery by Catholicism is especially interesting. Can you recommend any books as an introduction on this subject? best, Max.

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  39. rabbnoir says:

    Re your original blog, yeah right! Doesn’t show much real scholarship, more popularist.

  40. whuff says:

    If you wish to follow up research about the religions contemporary with the original Christianity, then the book I mentioned in a previous post will be useful: Freke & Gandy’s The Jesus Mysteries.

    My own book is fully referenced too, but covers more content: from the origins of Judasim and the religion of Akhenaten, through the battles of the Celtic Christian Church against the Roman one, to the post–Enlightenment attempts to restore the original Christian values that were lost by the crude religion that we know today. The Greatest Lie Ever Told, WH Uffington.

  41. don dali says:

    it is child abuse by brainwashed parents to force their kids to a church since they are toddlers, where they are brainwashed at many levels: gold and candles for their eyes, bells and chanting for their ears, incense for their nose, and the most horrible primitive abuse: circumsison … let your kids become 18, and let them choose their own religion … if they ever buy into one !

  42. joolzey says:

    Interesting. However, in ‘Caesar’s Messiah’, Joseph Atwill suggests an earlier date for the New Testament forgeries. He describes the political climate in which the ‘fable’ of a Jewish prophet of peace was created to pacify the turbulent and militant Jewish communities. He also identifies the similarities between the narrative of Jesus’s life and the life of Titus Flavius, 1st century emperor. Where does scholarship stand on the date of authorship of the gospels? Are there good cases both for a late 4th century and 1st century authorship?

  43. Bhaskar Thumma says:

    good post. It is very informative and useful to me.

  44. ksm1672 says:

    Thank you for sharing your helpful knowledge.

  45. Pippo says:

    The Hell, a catholic invention ???

    What about murderers like Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin ??? Where do they go after death ???

    There must be a reward and a punishment …

  46. Hitler and Stalin had Catholic Backgrounds. Stalin was a seminary student (wanted to become a priest). Where anybody goes after death is a good question. A 64$ question. Lenin’s brother was killed by the Tsar. Payback? I think they we all reincarnate. Their successors may walk among us, with new lessons to learn.

  47. Same as everyone else, back here again until they learn.

  48. Lashana says:

    Wow thanks ive been wondering about this stuff like forever!

  49. Rocky says:

    For years I bought into the Christianity story. Much longer than I’d like to admit. When one finally realizes that man kind made all religions, then and only then does one feel true freedom. My family chose my religious beliefs for me, and I’m sure that is the case with most people. I don’t hold any grudge against family members for doing that. They were only doing what was done for them.

    There may indeed be a creator, supreme power, or “something” but you won’t find this “something” in any book. My grandchildren will not have to go through what I went through. When they reach the age of reason, I will be happy to address these issues with them. By the way, I highly recommend Thomas Paine’s book written in the late 1700’s (I think) titled The Age Of Reason.

    Of course Paine was a deist, and believed in God, just not the bible god. It’s a very good read.

  50. kostah says:

    hummmmm came on y’ll everybody is trying to make believe on what they believe and that’s that …….

  51. Joe says:

    Religions aside…the fact that some stories have remained constant through the centuries (regardless of how people may have used them for ulterior motives), may still have significant import to us. I’m curious as to the purpose of the previous crucifixions of the previous ‘gods’ before Christ. You don’t have to succumb to the trappings of a religion to relate to a God who may use stories as one of the avenues to communicate Truth to us.
    Hopefully we’re not throwing the Baby out with the bathwater, or poo pooing religion as an excuse to disregard God…or something like that…though that’s certainly ‘your’ choice.

  52. I wasn’t aware god uses or told stories to communicate to us. Yes, men (and women) have used stories about god to make points. The real question, stories aside, is does God exist, or has that been made up by man?

  53. Joe says:

    Yeah, that’s a deeper question, huh!? ; )
    I don’t think we can scientifically or logically prove God’s existence, or even prove if we made Him up or not. Though, if we did make Him up, who’s to say that impulse was not put in us by Him. Lol.
    If He ‘could’ be proven, we would ‘have’ to believe…then would we not be compelled (whether we wanted to or not) to do His bidding?
    If God’s existence cannot be proven intellectually, is that, then, reason enough to not seek Him through other means?

    Maybe he wants to be related to another way. Instead of being ‘proven’ like some laboratory experiment; how about ‘known‘, like a friend or lover? Of course, we’d be dealing with the heart primarily and not the brain, initially.

    Not that we negate the use of our minds…it’s just not the first organ to use in order to know God.
    If we move, (first) from our heart, conscience, intuition, spirit and communion; and, there, listen for His word to us… then (secondly) we can use our minds to understand what we‘ve heard from that deepest part of ourselves, and mentally encourage our wills to believe and (finally) then, physically act or move on those leadings.

    If He cannot be proven one way or another to exist, don’t we have to allow a portion (no matter how big or small) of our being, for the possibility of His existence? How much of our being we allow to believe this possibility, He has graciously left for us to decide. This way (if we so choose), He lets us love Him as much as we desire. Like, somehow, He will not push Himself on us to believe, as He would have been doing, were we mentally able to prove His existence. Love must be freely given…and accepted, on both sides.

  54. He will not push us to believe? See Matthew:

    Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” 10:34-36
    Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. 11:20-24
    “He that is not with me is against me.” 12:30

  55. JohnnyF* says:

    Joe,

    Beliefs make a difference in how people act and what they try to enforce upon others… Like christianity’s persecution of homosexuals in the US (right now). Or how christians are trying to rewrite american history, ignorantly thinking the worlds first SECULAR state was based on ‘christian values’. How they fight against science in education. How christians in Africa burn witches. This is proof enough it’s evil. How about the Jews view about their right to palestine? How orthodox jews spit on small girls who proclaim their independence? How they occupy land and build communities on them proclaiming they are ‘gods chosen people’. It proves their religion is evil. And of course the muslim, no question they are doing a pretty good job of proving that too, about Islam. Jailing women who gets raped? Hanging homosexuals? Marrying 8 year olds and raping them to death on their wedding night. Fighting against education. Anyone know what ‘Boko Haram’ means..?

    Abrahamic religions are EVIL. There is no LOVE here. It’s indoctrination and it leads to people forcing their views based upon delusional beliefs upon others. Threatening that unbelief will make you burn in hell.

    But the thing is, If you believe bad people are going to hell, I’ll tell you right no. That’s you, christians, muslims, jews… You are the ‘bad people’. Because your religion made you so.

  56. Rocky says:

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
    -Voltaire

  57. Ashley says:

    Tells one part of the story, and thanks for that. But there are many parts to be told. Here’s one from a much earlier period of Roman history (from Jonathan I. Israel’s “Radical Enlightenment,” 2001, Oxford University Press, pp 701-703)

    ‘ A notable feature of the “Traité des Trois Imposteurs,” the “Symbolum Sapientiae”, and other radical clandestine texts from the two main groups is the denunciation of political oppression and despotism as the universal ally and concomitant of revealed religion and “superstition.” The Traité , like the “Sympbolum Sapientiae,” is indeed a highly political as well as a philosophical work. Likewise, other clandestine texts stress the link between superstitious faith and tyranny and the need to oppose despotism if men are to be free.

    ‘The short new chapter Levier inserted into the text of the Traité (Chapter VI in the edition of 1719) undertakes to consider how the legendary Numa Pompilius managed, by stealth and craft, to establish the principle of monarchy among the Romans when they began to tire of
    consultative rule by the senate. Numa grasped that the most effective way to establish absolute authority over “hommes ignorans, grossiers et superstitieux”, such as Rome’s early inhabitants, was to inspire in them “la plus grande crainte des dieux” as is possible. To succeed, however, Numa perceived that some gross fiction or “miracle” was needed in order completely to overawe the ignorant and credulous Roman mind. It proved easy work to convince a people already irredeemably addicted to divination and oracles that the tyrannical laws and institutions to which he obliged them to submit had been dictated to him from “Heaven.” As the centuries passed, adds Levier, Roman credulity increased more and more, hand in hand with the growth of political oppression, until finally their minds were so shrouded by credulous superstition that the notion of a virgin birth encompassed “rien d’incroyable pour des gens qui admettoientt, comme des veritez divinement réveleés, une infinté de choses plus absurdes et plus contradictories.”

    ‘This inserted chapter exemplifies the technique also regularly used in other clandestine texts, of illustrating radical philosophical ideas, with vivid historical exempla. The idea that revealed religion is essentially a political device goes back to Machiavelli and is elaborated by Spinoza. The argument that the ancient oracles were essentially a web of priestly fraud reach back to Van Dale and Fontenelle. But the story of Numa Pompilius dramatizes the message embedded in such ideas, showing how revelations and miracles could be used by a ruler, in alliance with a priestly class, to crush human liberty. “Révélation et prophéties” had been constantly employed over the ages, holds the Traité , alternately to astonish, terrify, and elate the people and by this means manipulate them for hidden political purposes.

    ‘The inevitable result is oppression and despotism. Nor can one achieve political liberty without resolving to “combattre la superstition” and champion “la pure vérité”, philosophy being an indispensable accoutrement of emancipation, without which one can not be an “esprit libre.” Here, as in other respects, the “Symbolum Sapientiae” approaches the Traité in militancy. With equally relentless zeal the Symbolum insists that “religion and superstition indeed are by nature entirely apt for forcing the common people under the yoke and keeping them in labour, subjection, and obedience”. The more oppressive a system of government, argues this text, the more men are corrupted and depraved by error and superstition. Indeed, political dominance and usurpation is the sole and unique source of all error and superstition.

    ….

    ‘The Radical Enlightenment, as has been noted, entertained a curiously schizoid view of Islam and Mohammed. On the one hand, from the late seventeenth century and culminating in Boulainvilliers’ “Vie de Mohamed” (“Londres”, 1730) …. Islam is viewed positively, even enthusiastically as a purified form of revealed religion, stripped of the many imperfections of Judaism and Christianity and hence reassuringly akin to deism. On the other hand, Islam is more often regarded with hostility and contempt as a primitive, grossly superstitious religion like Judaism and Christianity, and one no less, or still more, adapted to promoting despotism. For his part, d’Argens, in his various works, seems alternately to reflect both attitudes.

    ‘However, the main (i.e. Spinozistic) bloc of clandestine manuscript philosophical literature, despite Boulainvilliers’ considerable influence, clearly shares the latter attitude. Spinoza himself, in his letters, accounts Mohammed a “deceiver” and Islam even better equipped than the Roman Catholic Church to “mislead the common people and keep men’s minds in its grip”, and consequently the most unified and coherent of all revealed religions. D’Argens, in his “Lettres juives,” describing the alleged cultural desolation and ignorance prevailing in Algiers and Tunis, compares government of the Barbary states to that of Rome under Caligula, Nero, and Diocletian and speaks of the prejudice that the Muslims “avaient portés aux sciences et aux beauxarts.” It is this contemptuous attitude to Islam, invariably linking superstition with despotism and the enslaving of the human spirit, that is chiefly echoed in the clandestine manuscripts. The “Symbolum Sapientiae” unhesitatingly dismisses the Koran as no less absurd and contradictory than the Old and New Testaments. According to the Traité , Mohammed was in no way less adroit in fabricating revelations, visions, and miracles, and manipulating the passions of the people, than Moses or Jesus.’

  58. rex berry says:

    Excellent post and helps me in my research. Gee isn’t it amazing how folks of curiosity seem to travel similar paths. My research has come to pretty much the same conclusions. I do have two questions I hope folks can help me with. First Palestine and Philistine are the same word. There is no letter P in the Arabic alphabet, it is a backwards P with a dot over it making the F or Ph sound. I am convinced that Palestine is a westernized bastardization of the word and is used as an argument for the “seniority” of Israel in the region. Can anyone help me with the first date of when the word Palestine with the P was used? 2. The apostles do not appear in the writings of Josephus or any of the to-date translated Dead Sea Scrolls. The apostles and Acts first appearance that I can find are in the works of Eusebius about 325 or so with the Nicean Council. Does anyone have any information of when they first appeared between 80ce and 325 ce?

  59. Rocky says:

    Rex, you might try the following website. Hope it helps you in your research. http://truthbeknown.com/

  60. Dom Staltare says:

    yep your right they are all made up stories who cares the meaning of life ” You laugh you cry you live you die ” Nothing else !!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. I am already familiar. This is one of the best websites I know. I learned a lot from this website.

  62. Abigail says:

    Sir,
    I am sorry I called you a liar.

    I was really upset about what you said concerning Jesus. I know you do not believe in him but I do, so for my sake, can you forgive me?

    I was wrong to call you names, and I have not been able to concentrate on anything since.
    Sincerely,
    Abigail

  63. charles r hale says:

    My experience of christians suggests a cult. Very few have read the whole bible, only parts they’re urged to learn. They really don’t have a personal relationship with their deity. The warm fuzzy feelings they get from prayer and worship just prove they have feelings. My dog has feelings but doesn’t try to construct a belief system from them. They get it all from their preacher, a charismatic leader that really defines a cult operation. They’re urged to only marry christians so that their faith isn’t tested as such tests tend to prove fatal to faith. The shame is that they drag their children into this cult with them.

  64. Zee says:

    I believe in Jesus. My relationship with the Creator of Heaven and earth isn’t based on fuzzy feelings at all. It’s based on sight…and faith. Sight because the function of the human body alone is mind boggling. The beauty and intricacy of nature tell that there is a God. A picture of the earth suspended in space, surrounded by a fraction of what we understand blows my mind. By faith because He comforts me. Protects me; and I can write a book about my many personal encounters with the Lover of my life and soul. I must agree with one thing with you though, and that is there are a lot of imposters out there who only feed on the spiritual needs of others. The true God is Perfect Love. His ways are high. Following Him is a high calling. It’s rethinking life. Instead of amassing riches for yourself, you do it for others. It’s about forgiveness. Mercy. Patience. This is who God is and more. Unfortunately, very few understand and live this. in fact, Jesus said that people will believe in Him if we love one another. There is a force against this. Instead of focusing on God as who people think He is, why not focus on what He is. If everyone would exhibit real love in this world, we would live in a paradise, but it is not so. There is an enemy. Hatred, selfishness…the list goes on. It’s evident. God is real and He is LOVE.

  65. Pete says:

    I love this topic

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  67. Jaysin says:

    oh boy! This was an awesome post!!! The mighty 10% of the world’s population knows the real truth!!

  68. Domenic Staltare says:

    There are probably over two million theories out there that disclaim God and creation but even science can only start at the BIG BANG but absolutely nothing before that and as to why it happened and as to who/what triggered it off. So why did it BIG BANG ? Was nothing something ?
    It is easy to disclaim anything but if you were not there how do you know it ACTUALLY happened( all that was written in history books is 100% true). Only modern history is more acuratey documented.The rest is questionable.Something must of kicked it all off and maybe just maybe it was a superior being or maybe even a Christ ? Everyone is entitled to there beliefs and as you know there is always two sides to the story and the argument will never be resolved !!!!!!!

  69. I believe Lawrence Krauss means no matter (the Universe from Nothing-no matter) before the Big Bang. There was a lot of energy, much too much, and it was an unstable situation. So the energy exploded, and Boom!,that was the big bang.

  70. Domenic Staltare says:

    But even nothing has to come from somehing or somewhere. Who/what put that little atom there to explode ? That is why it is all about believing what you believe and no one can deter you from your beliefs either religious or scientific.

  71. Energy has no mass. Radiation has no mass. Light has no mass. So Energy can exist before matter came.

  72. olcharlie says:

    Why does there have to be a beginning? Perhaps the energy that was present at the time of the bang was always there. Perhaps we’re just participating in the latest of big bangs that have been going on through infinite time. It’s a Hindu notion, and i imagine it fits with the quantum foam theory. Living things as we understand them have beginnings and ends, birth and death, so we assume the universe works the same way. We’re an arrogant species who imagine a god who’s just like us, hates our enemies but approves of our friends, jealous, wrathful, able to love, etc.

  73. Domenic Staltare says:

    Your missing the point. Who/what put the matter there why did exist.There is no reason for the matter to be there if it were not to start something in fact to begin life !!!!!! Created by the almighty creator himself , Jesus Christ. Yes Jesus started this all from nothing before nothing for us.

  74. good post. However, we reincarnate. We don’t just die. Don’t Hindus also believe in Reincarnation?
    The Catholic Church use to.

  75. Jimmy says:

    This is a very interesting post. I myself am and have been a catholic my whole life, but unlike some Catholics I refuse to blindly beleive in something without having a firm understanding of it. It’s very possible that Jesus did not exist (although they claim to have found the shroud of Turin as physical evidence), but nonetheless, the bible teaches us to be moral people, whether any of it ACTUALLY happened or not. Many of the writings in the bible are parables anyways which are made up stories to teach a lesson or convey a message. 1/6th of the world’s population are Christians, so when people blame Christianity for the molestation of children and corrupt church officials, it is just stupidity. There are going to be stupid people wherever you look, no matter what race, religion, ancestry or whatever.

    On a different note, here’s some topic for discussion. It was found that everyone has a part of their brain used specifically for spirituality and ‘connecting’ with a higher being. So if god isn’t real, what’s the point of that part of our brain? If everything was a chance happening and we are all products of the cosmos and evolution, why the hell would we have that part of our brain? It just doesn’t make sense to me.

    So in conclusion, even if the bible is made up, it is still a powerful set of moral lessons and guidelines to live by that could make the world a better place if people didn’t misunderstand it constantly.

  76. charles r hale says:

    There is a part of the brain that deals with abstract thought. Religion qualifies, as does language and mathematics, etc. Believe what you want, just quit trying to justify it with misused science. If god is real and religion is so true, why can’t religious people agree on the zillion points of doctrine they’ve killed each other over throughout history?

  77. Domenic Staltare says:

    Finally, someone that understands and has a brain !!!! One thing i will add is that some say that religions envokes violence and war but just imagine if there were no religions we would be still like savages with everyone killing and trying to extinguish the other. Yes you say that still happens now but there would be no one to try and stop it because no one would know grace and believe you me mankind would of been wiped out by now. I say Christianity would be perfect if it were not for Christians and there would be no good if there were no evil. So believe if you want, at least Christianity has given us a choice.

  78. There is another choice: Secular Humanism:
    The Code for Global Ethics
    Posted on August 29, 2011 by beyondallreligion (still curently contained is beyondallreligion.net)
    For Balance Purposes, while we are on the subject of religions: The Old Testament Bible is not peaceful. The Koran is not peaceful. The Buddhists in Tibet were not peaceful. The Mormons: “Cut their Throats”-said Brigham Young.

    A rabbi said that “a million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” I prefer the THE TEN PRINCIPLES FOR A GLOBAL RATIONAL HUMANISM

    Amazon: Ten Commandments For A Global Humanism:

    THE CODE FOR GLOBAL ETHICS

    1. DIGNITY: Proclaim the natural dignity and inherent worth of all human beings.

    2. RESPECT: Respect the life and property of others.

    3. TOLERANCE: Be tolerant of others’ beliefs and lifestyles.

    4. SHARING: Share with those who are less fortunate and assist those who are in need of help.

    5. NO DOMINATION: Do not dominate through lies or otherwise.

    6. NO SUPERSTITION: Rely on reason, logic, and science to understand the Universe and to solve life’s problems.

    7. CONSERVATION: Conserve and improve the Earth’s natural environment.

    8. NO WAR: Resolve differences and conflicts without resorting to war or violence.

    9. DEMOCRACY: Rely on political and economic democracy to organize human affairs.

    10. EDUCATION: Develop one’s intelligence and talents through education and effort.

    From The Code for Global Ethics, Ten Humanist Principles by Rodrigue Tremblay, with Preface by Paul Kurtz. Published 2010 by Prometheus Books. (ISBN: 978-1-61614-172-1)

  79. charles r hale says:

    The reformation was a blood bath of lutherans and calvinists slaughtering each other and catholics. I’d say we’ve evolved into a somewhat civilized condition in spite of religion. Religion is nothing more than a way of ordering and dominating a herd. This is about pack/herd instinct. To evolve into reasoning beings we really need to shed that stuff. Religion is a holding us back.

  80. Larry says:

    I too vote for secular humanism over any and all religions. Good grief, we’d hardly be like savages without religion. It’s religion that drives the crazies. It was religion that brought us the dark ages! It will be religion and it’s unreasonable, absurd, and illogical, teachings that brings an end to the human race.

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  82. Steve Martin says:

    What would christians be wearing around their neck if Jesus had been hanged?

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  88. wow! this is very shocking exposure against christianity that it is an assemblage of pagan docrines atributing divinity to jesus which he never claimed as the holy quran rightly stated. but the irony is that the christian evangelists instead of addressing this problem and accept quranic solusion, they concocted and spread lie that islam originated from moon-god worship called allah a chief idol being worshiped by pagan arabs before islam. it was later discovered that pagan arabs did not even have sytem of worship called moon-god. the chief idol of the pagan arabs was called hubal not allah and hubal was never described as moon-god. the symbol of crescent relied upon by these evangelist liars was used never during the time of prophet muhammad and later generation only used it to represent the start of the month of fasting or id celebrations. it should be noted that pagan arabs erected idols as represation of daughters of almighty allah as satan made them to change monotheist religion of their forefathers abraham and ishmael. the pagan arab belief system is therefore similar to present christianity where jesus is worshiped as son of god

  89. Michael Barnett says:

    I think religion is part of a mechanism. The first thing is to develop a structure or educational system that increases the amount of time people spend recognising god. So develop something like the new and old testaments. To study these books will not only take you many hours, but many years. This study in turn frees you from god, in turn again this makes you more dependent on like minded or culture and very confrontational and suspicious of that outside your group.

    So your religion is the seed to creating a typically but not always violent, empire.
    And we currently have a jewish empire along side a christian empire, and a muslim empire. Nothing unnerves us more than a religious based empire.

    If the Russians want to get a big time empire, like the soviet union they need to create a religion. Otherwise they remain small fry, compared to christians, jews and muslims.

    China is buying up large swathes of land, but unless they too find a religion, what they own will never be considered a chinese empire.

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